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  • Good to know PD ! Thank you !

    Pattye -I'll try the needle next time it's looking like there's no room !! Thanks, great idea !
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    • I have a question, I am seeing from the tutorial that after you initially loop back through the first few pearls you continue making knots using only one strand (the strand the pearls are on) rather than continuing to knot AROUND the pearl strand with the additional strand. I have always knotted in the past using the two separate strands, basically just never trimming them. Is it just a matter of preference or is my way actually incorrect?
      I am currently having trouble because my knots are winding up so tiny they are slipping inside the pearls and that is with the two strands. Working with just one strand would not work. But working with a doubled strand (still in a single row, not working with two doubled strands) makes it too thick to fit back through. Should I try a size up in threads or is there something else I am doing wrong? I hope this makes sense. It is very hard to describe.

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      • Originally posted by MoonSprinkles View Post
        I have a question, I am seeing from the tutorial that after you initially loop back through the first few pearls you continue making knots using only one strand (the strand the pearls are on) rather than continuing to knot AROUND the pearl strand with the additional strand. I have always knotted in the past using the two separate strands, basically just never trimming them. Is it just a matter of preference or is my way actually incorrect?
        Maybe I wasn't clear. I trim only the original tail off and continue stringing with 2 strands.

        Originally posted by MoonSprinkles View Post
        I am currently having trouble because my knots are winding up so tiny they are slipping inside the pearls and that is with the two strands. Working with just one strand would not work. But working with a doubled strand (still in a single row, not working with two doubled strands) makes it too thick to fit back through. Should I try a size up in threads or is there something else I am doing wrong? I hope this makes sense. It is very hard to describe.
        I do understand. I work with doubled strands, but if the knots are still too small, there are several things you can do.

        1. Use a thicker thread. I use Serafil or Beaders Secret, which comes in a heavier size (and also a finer size).

        2. Make a jeweler's knot. This involves passing the needle through the overhand knot a second time before tightening it. It makes a slightly larger knot. This is a bit tricky because it is not enough to just pull the threads apart to seat the knot-- in my experience if I do that, the knot may end up in the wrong place, even with Serafil or Beader's Secret. What I do is this: I use an awl to guide the loose knot very close to where I want it, tighten it to make it small, then with the awl still in the knot to keep it open, I pass the needle through the overhand knot a second time. Then I I tighten it again, pulling the awl out at the last moment-- then I pull the 2 threads apart to tighten the knot fully.

        3. Pattye has a method she uses whereby she has a 3rd thread that runs through all the pearls, which she knots around. She describes this somewhere in this thread, I think. I have not tried this.
        Last edited by Pearl Dreams; 09-28-2020, 08:04 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Pearl Dreams View Post
          Maybe I wasn't clear. I trim only the original tail off and continue stringing with 2 strands.



          I do understand. I work with doubled strands, but if the knots are still too small, there are several things you can do.

          1. Use a thicker thread. I use Beaders Secret, which comes in a heavier size (and also a finer size).

          2. Make a jeweler's knot. This involves passing the needle through the overhand knot a second time before tightening it. It makes a slightly larger knot. This is a bit tricky because it is not enough to just pull the threads apart to seat the knot-- in my experience if I do that, the knot may end up in the wrong place, even with Beader's Secret. What I do is this: I use an awl to guide the loose knot very close to where I want it, tighten it to make it small, then with the awl still in the knot to keep it open, I pass the needle through the overhand knot a second time. Then I I tighten it again, pulling the awl out at the last moment-- then I pull the 2 threads apart to tighten the knot fully.

          3. Pattye has a method she uses whereby she has a 3rd thread that runs through all the pearls, which she knots around. She describes this somewhere in this thread, I think. I have not tried this.
          Thank you for responding! I think this is a dumb question but....where is the tail coming from then? I know obviously where the tail at the end is from but I do not have a tail when I start off so that confuses me. I have one strand with pearls on it and one strand with a needle on it and the needle strand knots around the pearl strand. So I have no tail?
          I am going to experiment tonight again and I will try the jewelers knot, I think I may need to just order a size up of both the sizes thread I got. I seem to have miscalculated how tiny the holes actually are. Thank you again for the advice. It is wonderful to have this resource. In the past I have been on my own with stringing and consulting google!

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          • Ah, we are not doing the same thing at all.

            I thread one long thread on a needle and double it, making a large knot to keep the pearls from sliding off. That is how I have 2 strands-- because it's doubled thread.
            1. I string on 4 pearls without knotting, and slide them down almost as far as the large knot. (It's easier to trim the knot end later if the pearls don't go all the way to the knot; you want a few inches to grab and hold while you trim it.)
            2. I string on the gimp, and the clasp, and slide them down to where the pearls are.
            3. Then I double back through the pearl that was last to be strung on, which now becomes the pearl that is next to the clasp. I snug up the gimp with the clasp centered in it.
            4. I make overhand knots between the first and 2nd pearl, between the 2nd and 3rd pearl, and between the 3rd and 4th pearl. Because these pearls are already on a doubled thread, the overhand knot is made over that thread. These end-pearl knots will thus be somewhat larger than knots made later.
            I seat and tighten the knot by pulling the 2 threads apart.
            5. When I get to the 4th pearl, I pass the needle through it but don't make a knot just yet. I cut off the tail with the big initial knot, thus hiding the tail in the 4th pearl. Then I make an overhand knot and carry on, making a knot after each pearl.
            6. When I get to the last 4 pearls, I string them all on without knotting. String on the gimp, the clasp, and back through the end pearl, snugging up the thread and the gimp.
            7. Make a knot between each of the end 3 pearls again.
            8. Pass the thread through the 4th pearl from the end, do not knot this time-- just cut off the thread.

            Is is clear?
            Last edited by Pearl Dreams; 02-18-2019, 08:29 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Pearl Dreams View Post
              Ah, we are not doing the same thing at all.

              I thread one long thread on a needle and double it, making a large knot to keep the pearls from sliding off. That is how I have 2 strands-- because it's doubled thread.
              1. I string on 4 pearls without knotting, and slide them down almost as far as the large knot. (It's easier to trim the knot end later if the pearls don't go all the way to the knot; you want a few inches to grab and hold while you trim it.)
              2. I string on the gimp, and the clasp, and slide them down to where the pearls are.
              3. Then I double back through the pearl that was last to be strung on, which now becomes the pearl that is next to the clasp. I snug up the gimp with the clasp centered in it.
              4. I make overhand knots between the first and 2nd pearl, between the 2nd and 3rd pearl, and between the 3rd and 4th pearl. Because these pearls are already on a doubled thread, the overhand knot is made over that thread. These end-pearl knots will thus be somewhat larger than knots made later.
              I seat and tighten the knot by pulling the 2 threads apart.
              5. When I get to the 4th pearl, I pass the needle through it but don't make a knot just yet. I cut off the tail with the big initial knot, thus hiding the tail in the 4th pearl. Then I make an overhand knot and carry on, making a knot after each pearl.
              6. When I get to the last 4 pearls, I string them all on without knotting. String on the gimp, the clasp, and back through the end pearl, snuging up the thread and the gimp.
              7. Make a knot between each of the end 3 pearls again.
              8. Pass the thread through the 4th pearl from the end, do not knot this time-- just cut off the thread.

              Is is clear?
              Ok, that is very different from what I have done! i"m very glad you cleared that up. I will sit down tonight when I am not being mobbed by tiny people and experiment with your instructions and my supplies. Thank you SO much for helping with this!

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              • Any problems or questions, post again!

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                • There are so many different ways to string pearls...the best way is the one you are most comfortable using! I do find that different applications call for different techniques. For instance, I am currently stringing a multi strand bracelet (9 strands on either side of a centerpiece) of super tiny pearls. I am basically using PD's method, however, I am stringing on all the pearls and not just the last four. I am also knotting only the end pearls. You can also use a variety of different knots to take up space so the knots don't end up in larger drill holes. Sometimes this is necessary if you are stringing different sizes of pearls together. Typically, pearls are drilled between 0.5mm-1.2mm for knotted strands. Different stringing materials, like linen or leather require larger drill holes.
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                  • Originally posted by JerseyPearl View Post
                    There are so many different ways to string pearls...the best way is the one you are most comfortable using! I do find that different applications call for different techniques. For instance, I am currently stringing a multi strand bracelet (9 strands on either side of a centerpiece) of super tiny pearls. I am basically using PD's method, however, I am stringing on all the pearls and not just the last four. I am also knotting only the end pearls. You can also use a variety of different knots to take up space so the knots don't end up in larger drill holes. Sometimes this is necessary if you are stringing different sizes of pearls together. Typically, pearls are drilled between 0.5mm-1.2mm for knotted strands. Different stringing materials, like linen or leather require larger drill holes.
                    I hope this is not too far off topic to ask you where do you get the tiny (or even just really small) pearls? I am considering a necklace idea and no idea of a reputable place to get tiny fwp. Thank you!

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                    • Probably most sellers would prefer not to divulge their sources.

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                      • Originally posted by Pearl Dreams View Post
                        Probably most sellers would prefer not to divulge their sources.
                        Oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't even think about them being a seller! I will cruise some of the other threads for info about buying loose pearls to string. Forgive me, I'm very new!

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                        • MoonSprinkles,

                          Most of us prefer to shop for pearls in person. Gem/bead shows travel to larger cities usually several times yearly. Sometimes the local bead shops have nice commercial grade pearls. KojimaPearl.com carries some loose strands. Rio Grande has some pearls listed in their catalog, so probably online also (fairly expensive, though). I'm sure there's more sources I'll think of later!

                          It's good to be flexible; I've found one can't always locate specific sizes, colors and shapes that fit the budget, lol.
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                          • Moonsprinkles, I buy really tiny freshwater pearls from Pearllunar on ebay. 2-2,5mm. They don't have them all the time. They are not round though, but with beautiful luster. They are so small that I had to use Softflex wire extra fine. I use them instead of A necklace for pendants. Also they are never expensive. Usually I get 15-16 inch or so for around 10-12 Us$, on auction if nobody else put in a bid.

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                            • Thank you Pattye and Charlotta for the advice!

                              I finished the necklace! Thank you so much for the help here, I improved my method SO much and this is the nicest finished project I have ever gotten. Also the Beader's Secret is about 5 million times better to use than silk. I love it, I don't think I'll ever use silk again lol. I do need to refine my method for tying the knots, I sorts of end up flipping the needle strand with a bunch of beads on it around itself and over my fingers, then I sort of put the knot around my finger and slide it close to the bead then remove my finger and tighten. I feel like I could refine this a bit. But I think (hope) the result is the same. I posted a bunch of photos in my "Dyed Black Freshwater?" thread so as not to crowd this one, if anyone would like to take a look and give me any suggestions for the future. As I say on that post, I know some of my knots are too loose, they are from the beginning when I was timid! I might restring at some point.

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                              • I just knotted some very green Peacock Rikitea for a client and used the Forest . I'm really pleased with the look, the knots are dark but not harsh like black..they just sort of blend in.. Click image for larger version

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