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Softer / Harder Pearls?

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Old 07-08-2007, 07:53 AM
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Heard once or twice that freshwater pearls are 'softer' than other cultured pearls.

Couldn't find any reference about such differences of any usual durability measure (scratch or breaking resistance) among nacreous pearls. In particular, other than noting the lower Mohs (scratch resistance) and over the top toughness of pearls in general, gemology publications yield nothing.

There's no lab in the house... so I am asking here: what is this all about?
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Old 07-08-2007, 02:37 PM
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Freshwater pearls are softer than Akoya, South Sea, and Tahitian pearls, and do scratch much more easily. This becomes very apparent when you drill a large number of pearls for setting. The cups on a pearl drill will easily mar a freshwater pearl, but will almost never mar one of these other types.
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Old 07-08-2007, 02:51 PM
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Hi All,

I,too, would like to hear more about this--funny it hasn't come up before!

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Old 07-09-2007, 09:27 PM
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Terry, could this be because of the nucleii in the other pearls ?

Would assume MOP to be harder than pearls are... although you are talking about scratch resistence, so the outer layer is what counts.
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Old 07-09-2007, 10:16 PM
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I'd hate to venture just a guess. I'm betting someone like Gina Latendresse would have a great answer here.

I'll email her and see if she can shed more light on this.
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Old 07-10-2007, 05:37 AM
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I've noticed too that it's easier to scratch freshwater pearls compared to the south seas and tahitians.

Just don't know the hardness range of each pearl based on source specie.

Anyhow, checked below sites. Pearl hardness is said to be around 2.4-4.5.

http://www.gemsociety.org/info/gems/Pearl1.htm

http://gemologyonline.com/pearls.html

2.4 vs. 4.5 is a significant difference.
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Old 07-10-2007, 11:04 AM
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2.4 vs. 4.5 is a significant difference.
Hm... right. Not everyone likes to be reminded of either value... Fortunately, them pearls are tough

A bit of a paranthesis: At this point, I feel compelled to drop a note for the sake of any future reference to this thread: that this discussion is more theory than anything (would you agree?... ) because the Mohs is not quite as relevant for pearls as for the faceted gemstones for which it is more often mentioned. Because it does not capture toughness (resistance to breaking) and that does not go hand in hand with hardness (resistance to indentation or scratching) and wearability in pearls as it roughly tends to in jewelry stones - a seriously astounding property [LINK - thanks again, Caitlin!] due to their complex structure. Which means that all this does not make any news at all for pearl-wearing Paranthesis closed.



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I'd hate to venture just a guess. I'm betting someone like Gina Latendresse would have a great answer here.
Awesome!

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Old 07-10-2007, 11:20 AM
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Right you are, Valeria!

If you tried roughly dropping, banging or hammering pearls, these beauts are mighty tough!

I'm sure you wouldn't even dare gently drop a nice emerald.
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Old 07-10-2007, 11:32 AM
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I'm sure you wouldn't even dare gently drop a nice emerald.

Drop? maybe just a little... haven't smashed any yet just by handling, with the implicit little shocks. Unfortunately, the most exercise my jewelry gets (and me, most of the time ) is typing - would that make the equivalent of a bull ride for a ring ?

It is a bit frustrating this 'hardness' debate about traditional jewelry materials with milenia of road-testing behind them. Everyone seems to want a single-number measure of durability and then complain that the result is too complicated (hardness, toughness, cleavage, chemical and fade resistance etc. combined, I mean).
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Old 08-26-2007, 10:17 AM
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BUMP for the original question!
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Freshwater pearls are often described as more porous than other types of pearls.

The hardness of freshwater pearls when compared to other types of pearls is not something I have personally seen examined or contrasted. Cultured pearls, as you know, are 3.5 to 4.5 on Moh's scale. This is soft, but the platelet structure of the nacre makes them seem harder and more resilient.

Freshwater pearls have the thickest aragonte platelets of all cultured pearls, averaging more than 0.5-1.8. The thickness of the aragonite platelets correspond to the speed of nacre deposition which is influenced by species and location.

The akoya, for example, will only produce 0.15 mm per year in Ago Bay, but 0.3 mm on Kyushu Island (hence the thicker average nacer of akoya cultured in China). The average aragonite layer thickness corresponds to 0.35 to 0.5 microns, and a diameter of 3 to 6.
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Old 09-10-2007, 05:05 AM
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Durability varies a lot in freshwaters, but I have seen some pearls get scratched just by dragging one hank over another.

Freshwater pearls with better (harder, sharper, or more metallic) lustre seem to be more resistant to scratching - in my experience.

I am very curious also to know if anyone has hard data on this, as opposed to my anecdotal evidence

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Old 11-21-2007, 05:47 AM
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I'm reasking this question, not so much about harder/softer pearls, but scratching. I think I've read a post or two where someone is skeptical about beading pearls next to metal beads. Has anyone really found significant pearl damage as a result of having a metal bead next to it? Thanks!
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:14 PM
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I've strung high-end white round freshwater pearls next to 22k gold beads and I've never seen any scrathes on the pearls. Keep in mind that 22k gold is a soft metal. I would never put a "hard" metal up against a pearl.

When stringing metal beads with pearls, you should also make sure that the metal does not oxidize or rust.


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Old 11-21-2007, 01:41 PM
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Hello Knotty,
Thanks for asking this.
Hello Gail,
What do you think about silver beads ?
I've got some rather nice Tahitians, and fancy silver for a change.
Or white gold, but the highest carat white gold I can find is 14 carat.
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