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06-01-2007, 08:22 PM
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| Hi, All... I've recently fallen in love with an antique piece, varifiably circa 1870 that features and 9x7mm baroque pearl. Just double checking: because of its age, I can assume the pearl is natural, right? Thanks, everybody...and btw, how are you all?  Bogus        |
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06-01-2007, 08:24 PM
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| Yes, that would be a natural pearl! Good to see you back!
__________________ Jeremy Shepherd President and Founder PearlParadise.com, Inc. The PearlParadise.com Channel |
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06-02-2007, 03:10 AM
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| Oh yes, please let us see if you're able to snatch it! Pics would be lovely (to tease about a natural pearl and not show it is mean :P).
__________________ ~Mandy A semi-serious beader with a newfound love for pearls |
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06-02-2007, 09:52 PM
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| Would love to see a photo Bogus! Also, is there a way to verify that the pearl is original to the piece, or is the design such that it would be almost impossible to have been replaced at some point? |
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06-09-2007, 05:30 PM
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| Well, I decided not to go for it...might have if it had it been less expensive! Interesting provenance, though...Valeria...have you ever heard of the Zichy family? Here's a link to the piece... http://www.skinnerinc.com/asp/fullCa...9483&saletype= Bogus |
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06-09-2007, 05:38 PM
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No... but this doesn't mean there wasn't one. The spelling could be a problem too. For some reason, I cannot see the page at Skinner (working on it, a problem with the firewall here). Let me see what they are saying about the provenance, and maybe this will give a clue or two. |
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06-09-2007, 05:40 PM
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| Hmm...worked for me... anyway it's on page 20 of the jewelry sale at www.skinnerinc.com , lot 484. Very simple bracelet... Last edited by Bogus; 06-09-2007 at 05:46 PM. |
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06-09-2007, 06:46 PM
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| Gotcha! So... it was a button pearl:  "Sale 2370 Lot 484 Antique Pearl and Diamond Bracelet, Austria Hungary, centering a semi-baroque pearl measuring approx. 9.90 x 6.90 mm, flanked by bezel-set old European-cut diamonds, approx. total wt. 3.20 cts., completed by geometric links, millegrain accents, lg. 7 1/8 in., Vienna hallmarks for 1866-1872. Provenance: See lot 480. Estimate $4,000-6,000" And the provenance story reads: "Sale 2370 Lot 480 Antique Pearl and Diamond Collar/Slide, c. 1880, centering a baroque pearl measuring approx. 17.30 x 13.10 x 11.90 mm, framed by rose-cut diamond foliate motifs, further set with thirty-six old mine-cut diamonds, approx. total wt. 10.00 cts., silver-topped gold mount, completed by a detachable strand of seed pearls, 1/34 and 14 in., (pearls require restringing). Provenance: By direct descent through the great grand daughter of Maria Klara, Marquise de Ville, Graefin Demblin (1814-1868), wife of Count Zichy, a member of the Hungarian upper house. The Zichys were a noble Hungarian family of 14th century origins who were elevated to courtly rank in the 17th century. In the 19th century the members of Zichy family distinguished themselves as diplomats, historians, musicians, painters, polar explorers and collectors of Asian Art. Estimate $15,000-20,000" As to what this other auction is for... Yay!  The family and the story sure does exist (whether these pearls belonged to them, no idea - it would take a very astute Hungarian historian, or at lest someone more versed in Hungarian history, which most Romanians pass on  ). The style of the settings and fine diamond cut fit Vienese jewelry - a serious jewelry making hub, as rather obvious for an imperial capital. Would not pretend to know these thins better than Skinner's experts, sure that.  ... |
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06-09-2007, 06:58 PM
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| Yep...that's the bracelet. LOL...since it hasn't been getting oohs and aahs, maybe I'm the only one who likes it. Oh well different strokes...  Skinner did send me other pictures of it, with a fuller description and condition report...but I didn't know if I was "allowed" to post them. Hee hee....different forums, different rules...hard to keep track!  Bogus PS: Valeria...Rumanian? I forgot!! I'm so ashamed! Ignorant California Girl does know Bucharest from Budapest.... |
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06-09-2007, 07:13 PM
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 Even on a cold judgement, the bracellet seems to be a better deal, definitely more mainstream wearable... etc. The pin is obviously stryking...all in all. It would be a sample of diamond cutting and setting techniques for the place and time - which should meke it 'collectable'... which the folks who set the price estimate seem to have taken into account already Just IMO, as usual. There is so much 'WOW' material posted here, I just skipped any expression of it this time (silly). Quote:
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06-10-2007, 05:27 AM
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| Nice finds! Both are beautiful pieces - the bracelet is very delicate, and the pearl and diamond collar/slide would look lovely with several strands of small pearls (from the description, it appears that there is a strand of detachable seed pearls not pictured), or on a velvet choker band. Perle |
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06-10-2007, 07:30 AM
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the bracelet is very simple, does almost have the look of Art Deco/Nevau Style, which came first at the beginning of the 20th century though...and I think in its understatement of its worth it is very elegant. The pearl does give it the special extra touch in my opinion. Still, the price is quite high with regard to the old type of cut of the diamonds, which prevents them from showing the sparkle I like in diamonds. The second piece does look very much like "costume jewelry" (because of its size alone) to those who do not know about real jewelry of that time. Being born in Austria I know quite a bit of its history and Austria-Hungary was one monarchy at that time so I think the history about the family mentioned is probably quite correct. It is in itself a work of art even though I think in this time and age it would be no easy thing to wear it so it is admired for what it represents - only the very rich are attending this kind of ceremonious, festive occasions.
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