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    Pattye, thanks for posting that article, i was amazed about that necklace they described that had three strands Majorica and one strand cultured and that it fooled experts! I know for a fact Majorica when rubbed together or on a tooth show no gritty feel at all and also are not ever cold to the touch. They are indeed beatuful though and to the eye alone they can pass.

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    I remember seeing faux rice crispies and baroque pearls in costume jewellery in the 80s, however, I did not buy any as I could get hold of real ones relatively cheaply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddys Little Pearl View Post
    ...I know for a fact Majorica when rubbed together or on a tooth show no gritty feel at all and also are not ever cold to the touch....
    Sorry, but I don't understand this. I tried this, and to me they are cold.

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    But are the Majorica AS COLD as your real pearls? Glass will still be colder than plastic or other synthetic materials, but should not be as cold as any gemstones or real pearls.

    And on this subject, I just went to my first bead show, at least first time for a big one. Scary place. One dealer from China, very nice honest individual that many of my knowledgeable friends buy from, sold mostly B and some A grade freshwater pearls, and I bought my share, will post those photos later on a different thread. But he also had what he called "Shell Pearls", in the rainbow of dyed colors of course but also in natural colors. They were almost as cold as the real, certainly not as warm as the old fakes, and when rubbed together you still feel a slight "grit", so I asked him how these were being made. Mother of Pearl bead over which is coated ground up shells and pearls. Guaranteed not to peel, flake or scratch according to him. Interestingly they were only slightly cheaper than his real freshwaters, but some of them looked better! The average consumer would never know the difference. He had his tables clearly marked to not deceive or cause any confusion, and he was making sure each customer knew what they were getting, but I am sure he may not be the norm. After feeling the slight gritty feel on these, I am now worried that some of my previously thought to be real pearls at my house may be these "shell pearls, not in my older pearls, but possibly in recent internet purchases. Short of owning an xray machine or having a GIA gemologist at my front door, do any of the experts have suggestions on how to identify these newer fakes? I did a related post in consumer Q&A about finding some supposedly real pearls that were not as cold as expected and now realize what I found out today may explain a lot of this. Again, according to him they do not scratch. I bought some very small ones to do a design for my shop, and now wish I had bought one large strand to use for testing, may go back tomorrow. Any suggestions? Would holding them over a strong light reveal differences?

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    Ah, welcome to the world of the "Big Bead Shows" It can certainly put one on sensory overload! The shell pearls I've seen have been large (over 10 mm) and totally round. Not sure why they would go through the trouble to make them in other shapes when the real thing is so affordable, but then remember those fake rice krispies? Anyway, have fun when you go back tomorrow!

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    Oh not just big ones, a huge table of all sizes down to less than 4mm, the size I bought to play around with. I was astounded at how good the ivory and white colored ones looked. Every color of the rainbow, nice peach and pinks, browns, but also some garish hot pink and a vew colors that frankly defy description. Will post photos of my "good" pearl purchases on the Show us your pearls section later tonight. And yes I may think about going back tomorrow for one strand large enough to test or chop open.

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    And here are the bead show fakes: According to the vendor, mop bead covered with ground up pearl and shell, will not scratch, etc. Got to admit I thought they were real when I first saw them. Had to have some for a costume necklace, they are 4mm I think.

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    Good grief! Well they certainly are round Thanks for the info and the great photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddys Little Pearl View Post
    But are the Majorica AS COLD as your real pearls? Glass will still be colder than plastic or other synthetic materials, but should not be as cold as any gemstones or real pearls.
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    I tried again-- this time with similarly sized necklaces, one genuine CFWP and one Majorica, after leaving both side by side in the same location half an hour (so that neither was stored in a cooler part of the room.) My daughter assisted in this blind test so I would not know which was which.

    And you were right, the Majoricas were noticeably less cool than the CFWP!

    To be able to use this at a show to distinguish real pearls from glass beads, I'd have to have a known-real strand in my purse for comparison on the spot. Wearing the known-real strand it would not work; it would get warm from being against my body.

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    Yep, you have to do the test quickly and after the pearls to be tested have sat alone in the ambient temperature for at least a few minutes away from showcase lights too. Same with gemstones. This little "old wives tale" trick has gotten me many a real stone and pearl in my life at a bargain price at shops, flea markets, etc. Man made gemstones will also test cold, but they are technically still real stones and still worth having. I was taught this little test over 30 years ago, a very fine jewelry dealer, GIA gemologist too, used to come to the Nashville flea market every month, alas she has retired last year, and over the years she taught me a lot, mostly about gemstones etc, but also a little about pearls. I bought several nice pearl items from her, need to post those later on the Show Us section.
    Whenever I see a pearl necklace in a shop or market, it is is in a showcase I ask to see it, and if I have any suspicions at all it might be real, I get them to put it behind the counter on hold for a few minutes for me to think about it. That gives it time to cool off from being in a showcase. If it is not locked up and out for sale, the second I pick it up it goes immediately to my cheek. Some people use the palm of their hand. If you have some real gemstones, try out that one too.
    About a year ago I found a ten dollar pearl necklace in a shop with what looked like a real Mikimoto clasp. I also know they fake these clasps. It was in a showcase, so we let it sit on hold. You guessed it, real Mikis and home with me they went. Now, I would have bought them anyway to get the clasp. But you get the point. Probably a lot of customers had passed over that necklace thinking at 10.00 it was not worth owning. Of course this only made up for all the junk pearls I have bought for high prices in the past as well (chuckle).

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    Too clean, too uniform, too shiny to be real.

    Even the best real pearls that are very well-matched will show some very subtle variations.

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    Default Examples of glass pearls, gray and cream

    Note larger than normal holes with the pearlized finish puddled up around the edge indicating fake pearls, plus the sameness of size and reflection. The gray imitation pearls are on temporary strands. These were a gift from another forum member.


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    Default Fake baroque pearls

    In the late 60's, waaaaay before I had any cultured pearls, this 58 inch necklace was a favorite purchase, cost about $40. I doubt anyone could be fooled by these 15mm imitations! One of these days I may replace with Chinese kasumi, jade and garnets. Brass chain is right in style again!

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    I love all the examples! More More!!!

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    OK you asked fore more! Just bought this strand of Majorica, huge size, obviously meant to imitate South Sea size I guess, great color, fabulous clasp with the metal built onto the faux pearl. Enjoy

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