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    Perpetual Pearl Student Senior Pearl-Guide.com Pearl Expert lisa c's Avatar
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    Amanda, could you talk to us about the 'Gray Standard' and 'White Standard'? No pressure, just I haven't found the old post about them yet.

    Or, if the first poster-gentleman could re-post or direct us to the first post?

    Also, I noticed that this thread is on Other Stuff, which isn't available to casual readers. Does anyone think that's a problem? Ok, guess not. People have to join up to post pics, correct? so then Other Stuff will be available to them, thus instructions will be accessible.
    Last edited by lisa c; 04-10-2012 at 01:23 AM.

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    Effisk gives instructions for saving pics in a way to avoid Red Xs in--

    Natural pearls->KIMA(tridacna) pearls->post 42

    Instructions when saving a picture - make sure they're in RBG (that's Red Blue Green)
    Main menu , Image > mode > RBG
    Last edited by lisa c; 03-20-2012 at 09:02 PM.

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    Hey Lisa,

    Thanks for your nice comment about my abilities in taking pictures The last picture is actually the one that comes closest to what the pearls look like in real. And I must say that taking pictures on a cloudy day are showing the best results! I don't work with any other light source at the moment..(ummm that could be something to maybe play with as well with for better results) I also find that pearls like abalone are looking better on dark or black backgrounds.
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    You deserved the compliments. I appreciate all you can contribute!

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    I used to have an Canon Ixus 60 which I absolutely loved, and which was great for macro shots of flowers in the garden

    But then deceided to upgrade to a Panasonic TZ7 'cause I wanted more zoom (big mistake). But I never got on with it, so it just ended up in a drawer (which I think is what happens with cameras if they don't work for you). So finally, I sold that (at a significant loss) and asked Blaire to help me look at some others

    I have a new toy now (hence my bombarding everyone with pearl picis !). It's a Canon S100, which I am still finding my way around. It's a compact with minimal zoom, but has the full range of manual options, in addition to the standard auto mode, so allows the optiion of comparing one set of settings against an other (if you have the patience for that)

    Trouble with pearls, is that they literally throw the light back at the camera..... so it's really hard to freeze-frame that on-going process.....

    Still learning
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    This thread is really what I was looking for.
    First my tips for Paris light, because, as it was said previously, light is not the same in different points so we have to make adaptations.
    We have no light enought to make photos on cloudy days, so I take photos in shadow areas in sunny days. I noticed that the best colors and glow of pearls is got when shot in the shadow.
    This leads to 2 problems :
    1- there is still a shadow of the pearls on the photo, even shot at noon,
    2 - unfortunatly the photos get a grey background .
    Then, when trying to lighten the background (and stopping the correction at the moment when the photo is faithfull to what we see), the background still gets a light grey color.
    And when putting the photos close to each other on a wall (on an e-shop, for exemple), the grey shades of backgrounds are slightly different ...

    So I am really interested in learning about 'Grey Standard' and 'White Standard'?

    Considering that problem, I tried a light imaging white box.
    Ahrr, that was even worse (or I am a very bad user) :
    1- the lights of the white box, even close to daylight -as they say- does not catch the glow and volume and delicate texture of pearls.
    2 - instead of having a light spot on the pearls, there is a dark spot on pearls due to the opened door to put the camera in.

    The positive point is that there is no shadows and that photos look completely clean around the objects shot.

    Besides, I recently noticed that some shops upload photos with a grey background.

    Here are my questions ; as a customer :
    - do yo pay attention to a greyish background ?
    - what's your opinon on over-photoshoped white photos?
    - what do you expect from a professionnal seller as photos when it is question of buying ?
    Some photos att. to illustrate.
    Any other advice welcome.
    THANKS a lot.
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    in fact, for me, photos on Pearl Paradise are absolutly perfect...
    white is white, black is black, pearls are perfectly neat all over the strand, there are no shadows, and background is clean,
    what else ?
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    Photo report on pearl exhibitions & museum (Paris, London, Berlin, Basel, Geneva ...) http://www.pearl-guide.com/forum/showthread.php?10427

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    What matters most to me in a photo is color. Depth is an equivalent or close second. Gray backgrounds are fine, although white is the ultimate for making the pearls look like they're out having a party.

    Or so I thought, until I compared your photos Anna. With your bracelets, the top photo with the slightly gray background is the better of the two. If I were looking at the pearls with the bright white background, I'd request another picture of them. That version makes me feel unsure of what the pearls would actually look like.

    The earrings are tougher. I couldn't decide which version was the better.
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    Thanks Lisa
    That was usefull.
    Top left is daylight, bottom left is white box.
    Top right is white box, bottom right daylight.
    Daylight brings a greyish background, white box changes pearls texture and appearance and reflects a black trapeze on the pearl surface ...
    No to mention the white pearls which glow is very difficult to capture...
    At the moment , I focus on "real" color and texture.
    My aim is having, as you say : "pearls look like they're out having a party."
    Thanks again, now I know where to go.
    All other comments welcome.
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    Photo report on pearl exhibitions & museum (Paris, London, Berlin, Basel, Geneva ...) http://www.pearl-guide.com/forum/showthread.php?10427

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    Very interesting post, Anna. I'm torn between liking the pics where the colour is really amped up e.g. bottom left versus the truest colour that the eye can see in normal circumstances. If I can be greedy and if I'm paying more than 3 figures for the item, I'd probably hope to get pictures under both lighting conditions, that is, the prettiest face and angle and the regular one. Hope that helps and has not confused.

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    I totally agree, true colours are what the customers are holding in their hands at the end of the day. Especially if you sell pearls over the internet as we do, if the picture is promising something they are not you will loose the customers trust.
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    Thanks to you all, I am working on a white background with faithfull colors of pearls.
    I am always featuring all sides of pearls, to show all specifications, not only the best one.
    Will post some better photos when I will have improved the process.
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    Photo report on pearl exhibitions & museum (Paris, London, Berlin, Basel, Geneva ...) http://www.pearl-guide.com/forum/showthread.php?10427

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    I just stuck this thread. Thanks, everyone! and please keep this thread alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisa c View Post

    Amanda, can you tell us about the white vs gray? No pressure (just WOW us), only if you have time. Or the early posters can chime in, if you feel like it?
    Quote Originally Posted by lisa c View Post
    Amanda, could you talk to us about the 'Gray Standard' and 'White Standard'? No pressure, just I haven't found the old post about them yet.

    Sorry, only just saw both of these. I've not taken many pics of pearls, but have taken quite a lot of prehistoric flints and of small silver medaeival coins.

    When you take photos with an automatic setting, the camera works out what speed etc is needed from the amount of light it detects. That means that if you take photograph of a polar bear on an ice cap in sunshine, they all look grey - because the camera uses an average setting, and that amount of light off white surfaces confuses it.

    So if you take photographs of pearls on a white background, there is a risk that the pearls come out darker than they really are, because of the camera's taking into account lots of white.

    There are two ways round this. One is to use a grey card, the other an average-ish background.

    If you use a grey card, you meter your light off this. Then the light setting will be accurate for the amount of llight there actually is. Because the camera assumes the grey-card hue when measuring the light.

    Or you can use a background which is approximately right.

    The former is more accurate, and also a lot more hassle.

    The picture below I took with a grey card to hand, because the pearls took up most of the screen and are pale. So I measured the light off the grey card, then took the photo:

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    Amanda, that's great ! I wil try very soon. thanks
    Is there a way to have a white pearl strand standing on a white sheet that really looks white as if it were croped?
    for exemple, like on PP,
    http://www.pearlparadise.com/AltView...LargeWidth=709
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    My versatile jewelry : http://e-boutique.anna-tabakhova.com/en/
    My vintage coral : http://www.etsy.com/shop/OnlyVintageCoral
    Photo report on pearl exhibitions & museum (Paris, London, Berlin, Basel, Geneva ...) http://www.pearl-guide.com/forum/showthread.php?10427

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