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    Default Pearls from Scottish river Tay

    Hi PG friends,
    I have been searching through the forum about that kind of pearls and posts were very old, so I decide to start a new one.
    As usual, I will put more photos than speaches to avoid bad english

    Seriously, it was a long time that I was searching for Tay river pearls for my collection, and here it is, I got some
    It is a vintage silver brooch with looking like blister pearls or half cut pearls (would this be possible? )
    The luster is nice to see, better than in photos, the color is creamy, not yellowish, they are not faded, shape of baroque little ones makes me think of children' milk teeth.
    The brooch is 32 mm diameter, the pearls are about 8 mm x 5 mm x 3 mm thick.
    well I am happy !!!

    Now I know we have pearl experts overthere and few scottish members.
    So all comments are welcome.
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    I think it's now the right section to add London's natural history museum Tay pearls and mussel (sorry for quality of photos again).
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    Hi
    From the picture it seems that it has been someones favourite and has been used very often. The pearl used are probably half-cut. A pretty one to have in ones collection.
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    Hi
    How do you know that these are Tay pearls?
    Is there a provenance or are you following other clues?

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    You are perfectly right.
    It is from the source who says so, Any expert advice on the authenticity is welcome.
    Is someone here used to see some already?
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    Is the piece hallmarked (and if so Edinburgh mark?) The style could be scottish - like an old shawl pin....
    I know Tay pearls cannot legally be sold here without a licence at first sale but not sure if that rule applies also to antique sales.

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    It is not hallmarked, IMHO not a high grad jewellery, the case coming with is very old, the insidemark show "est. 1834", comes from an old estate.
    I am wondering about the specific orient of those pearls versus any other white pearl, does someone knows about?
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    Hi CliClasp,

    They remind me of some blister pearls I have in a brooch. Pearls in brooch are whiter but they look similar apart from that. Flat backs etc. and I wondered if they had been cut or were true blisters.

    I like your pearls BTW. All naturals have that special something.

    I could take a couple of photos of my brooch and upload them if you approve. If you agree I will take a photo from the front and back and upload.

    I don't know if mine are river or saltwater but they do look similar to me. So hard to know for sure sometimes.

    I am wondering if your pearls are just dirty from the years and would come "up" with the salt sludge treatment. Have tried some serious cleaning? i.e. the salt sludge or anything else you might know of that really cleans the old grot off pearls and polishes them at the same time?

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    Of course, lets' share , that what this forum is all about !
    I have strictly no idea on how to clean this little one and all advices are welcome.
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    Hi CliClasp,

    This is a quote from Caitlin under Peeling Pearls (could just look up Salt Sludge too) -
    I have some naturals that someone recommended a salt slurry for cleaning. Just enough distilled water so there are still lots of wet salt cystals. I slooshed them around in that for a minute, them rinsed them in more distilled water, then let them sit in the bathroom (where it is humid) and lt them rehydrate.
    I have done the same and pearls, even cultured come up well. I have done it for longer than a minute, although I checked after a minute. Put in some plastic container with a lid so you don't end up with a mess of salty sludge everywhere and swill them around. Check after a minute, rinse clean water again (I find tank water great so if you have that use it, cheaper than distilled but if not only distilled). If you think they have cleaned up great continue to rinse in distilled or tank water and if not pop them back in your salt sludge for another minute or even two, and then rinse, rinse again.

    Hope Caitlin or Wendy jumps in here as I know they both use the method but not sure how long they would use the treatment for. I think it is safe as long as nacre is thick and with naturals, river, salt, or normal freshwaters, I don't think there would be a problem but hope an expert comes in on that.

    As to them not being high quality I think you may be wrong. Just because they were not valued highly decades ago, when more were available, does not mean that they are not now high quality and regarded as so by pearl lovers.

    I am mad about all kinds of naturals. Been meaning to contact you about your pearl clasps. Will email you privately tomorrow about them.

    Wendy is there a ban on Tay Pearls??

    Will add photos tomorrow.

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    Hi again,

    Meant to say that I think it is far more likely that your pearls in brooch and mine are more likely to be blister than cut in half pearls.

    Once again hope the experts jump in.

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    Hi CliClasp and All,

    This is the first I have heard of Tay Pearls from Scotland. I have uploaded the pearl brooch I have that looks very similar to the pearls that CliClasp has. These photos are old and I forgot to charge my batteries so can't take better photos until tomorrow. Then I will upload more. As you can see from these photos the colour near the silver is similar (probably dirt and general grot) to the pearls in your brooch.

    My brooch came from Britain so I suppose it is possible that they could be Tay River pearls.

    Can anyone enlighten me as to the story on Tay River Pearls. I take it they the mussels are endangered for there to be a ban on selling them.

    Will do a search and see what I can find out.

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    It's incredible how close they look like the ones of the brooch. In my opinion, the setting is not even silver but plain metal.
    Anyway the luster is very good, and the children teeth looking like absolutly lovely.
    By the time you posted, I had my little one cleaned and here it is !
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    Wow, pearly siblings!

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    Hi,

    Wow they really do look similar, especially now you cleaned yours. Mine is still a bit grotty so will do that and take more photos. Better ones. Even the settings are very similar. Apart from shape of settings that is.

    CliClasp how did you clean them. You had better share now because they came up a treat! Did you use the salt sludge and for how long did you swish them around.

    My brooch is not marked either but will test it tomorrow. But I was told it was silver.

    Just did some reading up and looking at photos of Tay River Pearls. They have suffered the same as all other natural pearls. Horrid isn't it. Some of the pearls I spotted were very beautiful. It is still a great shame that freshwater pearls have the lesser appreciation by the general public. So many put many salt water pearls to shame.

    Our pearls do look like siblings. Guess we are family now CliClasp.

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