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    Pearl Enthusiast Senior Pearl-Guide.com Pearl Expert Pearl Dreams's Avatar
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    Toxicity is not the issue. Pearls are damaged by many non toxic substances.

    I doubt she has been tracking the long term results on the pearls she has strung with them.

    I'd avoid it, but that's me. "Better paranoid than sorry."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearl Dreams View Post
    I doubt she has been tracking the long term results on the pearls she has strung with them.
    So I wrote to her on her Facebook page asking whether the lubricant in the thread might damage the pearls in the long term
    and she answered that she has been using this thread for 35 years and she has never had any pearl damage from it.

    I think she would probably notice because not only is she a professional stringer at a store but also she uses this thread to string her own necklaces. Unless you think natural pearls could react differently than cultured pearls?

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    No, I think the reaction to the lubricant would be the same.

    The fact that she strings her own necklaces with it is reassuring.

    Bottom line, do what you feel is best for your pearls and your situation.

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    My guess is that it is beeswax.

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    Kudos to you, Gail, for planning to do the restringing yourself! I also agree that white gold beads at the ends will look best. You may have already found the detailed pearl stringing tutorial by Pearl Dreams under "Lowly Beaders" Club." We'll be cheering you on and will be available if you have any questions.
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    Thanks for all the advice and encouragement. It probably will take a while to assemble all the materials and find the time to work on it calmly.
    The supplier I found for the little gold beads has them in 2.5 mm size with a hole of 1-1,2 mm. Is that hole too big? Will the knots go into the holes? The supplier has balls of 4 mm or larger with holes of 0.8-1.0 mm in diameter, but I think those beads might be too bug.

    I thought I would take a before shot so you could see how it looks now and provide suggestions. Clearly the distance between the short and the middle strand is larger than the distance between the middle and the longest strand. I think I would like a distance in the middle between those two. What would that translate to in difference in length of the strands?
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    It depends on the size of the thread and how large a tight knot 4 strands of it will make. (When back-knotting you are making a knot with doubled thread over the same doubled thread). If you have your thread you can test this and measure the resulting knot. Use calipers if you have them. This will tell you if the knot will slip into the hole.

    If it will slip in, get your beads from another source. I think 4mm is going to look way too large if the end pearls are 2mm. (A spherical 4mm bead is 8x as large as a spherical 2mm bead.)

    I tend to make successive strands 1" longer when making multi strand necklaces. Decide how long you want the shortest strand to be and make the next strand 1" longer than that, and the next strand 1" longer then the middle stand. String them temporarily and see if you like this size gap between strands before knotting it up.

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    Thanks for this advice. I cut up the middle strand and put it on a temporary strand. I used a twisted wire needle that I made with 0.1mm copper wire I bought on Amazon. This needle worked very well going through the little pearls but it was still quite difficult to get it into the smallest pearls because it was so hard to see the holes. Trying to double back through those would definitely be beyond my skills.

    The middle strand came out about 31 cm without knots with 83 pearls I washed it with demineralized water and Marseilles soap (similar to Castille soap). Then I tested knotting a few of the pearls from one end (the smallest ones) to see what thread would fit and how big the knots would be.
    The thickest thread I could fit was a little tight getting through. I thought that would be ok since I won't be doubling back through the pearls (I'll use the gold balls for that). Is that right? The knots came out around 1 mm. They look pretty big next to the tiny pearls but should be good as the pearls get bigger, right? I see in the closeup that the thread looks very white compared to the pearls, but to the unaided eye the difference is not as noticeable.
    I calculate that the length of the pearls knotted should be around 31 cm (pearls) + 83 x 1 mm (knots) = 39.3 cm.
    If I put 4 2,5 cm balls on each end, that will make an additional 8x 2.5 (balls) + 8 x 1 mm (knots) = 2.8 cm
    Plus the clasp is around 2cm
    For a total of 44.1 cm for the middle strand.
    Do these calculations seem right? If they are, I would need 24 balls. Maybe I'll get 30 just to be on the safe side if the necklace comes
    out too short. It should come out about the same length as it is now only with less string showing and the little gold balls on the ends.
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    I removed the bead tips from the middle of the clasps and tested whether the finest French wire that I have will go through the openings in the clasp.

    Unfortunately not. The finest that I have is silver plated Griffin French wire marked outside diameter 0,8 mm and inside diameter 0,65 diameter, so it is pretty fine. Looks like I can get Beadalon sterling silver French wire in 0,6 mm. The package doesn't say if 0,6 is the inside or outside dimension. I am also not sure if the 0,6 will go through the opening in the clasp, but it might.

    Or is it better to get jump rings? I have never used jump rings before. What size should I get and what material? The same place that sells the little balls has little rings in 18k gold that the site says are easy to open to attach other elements. The smallest are listed as 0.7 x 1.7 mm, which I think means the metal part is 0.7 mm wide and the opening is 1.7 mm.

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    Thank you so much for sharing the photo of you wearing the pearls! They will look more amazing after being restrung!

    You are doing well and evaluating what needs to be done as you go along. I would recommend against jumprings unless they can be soldered closed.

    The poly thread you/we are using (doubled) is more resistant to abrasion than silk, so because your pearls are quite lightweight, you have the option of not using gimp at all. Just use the thread directly over the clasp and finish as planned. (Not recommended for largeror heavier pearls, of course.)

    The measurement estimations seem about as accurate as possible. You may not get quite 1mm added length from each knot; sometimes a drill hole may be a bit larger and the knot will pull partway into the hole.

    Yes, order the additional gold beads. We're cheering you on!!
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    Thanks for this encouragement. I ordered 30 2.5 mm 18k white gold balls with a pattern and also the 0.6 mm silver French wire, just to make a last attempt at getting French wire through the clasp openings. While waiting for those things to arrive, I will put the other two strands on temporary strings and clean everything up.

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    The closeup of the pearls, I couldn't even look at the knots. The pearls are luminous.

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    The pearls already look beautiful on you, even in their current state, and I’m looking forward to seeing the final product. Thanks for sharing the process with us.

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    Hi Gail, what a lovely gift from your Mother.

    As I do this for a profession I am saddened to see what a fellow restringer has done to your pearls,especially if you told her they were natural .

    The holes in natural pearls are usually miniscule* at least the ones that I have had the pleasure of working on over the years. I have even had to make my own needles using French wire.

    Naturals where usually drilled by hand with an Archimedes drill (bow drill)

    The lubricant that was mentioned is not relevant to stringing, Most manufactured threads have a lubricant on them, typically silicone based.
    The reason being is that the thread can travel at fast speed through machinery without incurring issues.

    Beaders Secret thread is also lubricated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernadette View Post
    I have even had to make my own needles using French wire.
    The lubricant that was mentioned is not relevant to stringing, Most manufactured threads have a lubricant on them, typically silicone based.
    Thank you for this reassuring information about the thread lubricant. Based on her website, I thought the Italian stringer who highly recommended Coats Gral for stringing was experienced and knowledgeable about different kinds of threads. She thought the Coats Gral was superior to silk and also to the made in Italy thread sold on little cards. She probably didn't consider Beaders Secret because it is not an easily available or cost-effective choice in Italy.

    Her website also suggests making needles out of French wire when a very fine needle is needed. Instead, I bought some small spools of 0.1 mm copper wire and have been making needles out of the wire to put the pearls on temporary strands. The needles are a little thicker than French wire needles but still fit easily through the holes in the pearls.

    I do have a question about these super-fine needles though. How are you supposed to use them to double back? They are great when you just have to get them into a little hole that is empty, but they are too flimsy to overcome any resistance once the hole already has thread in it. I am going to have this issue when I have to double back through the little gold balls (now in transit).

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