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    Thanks everyone just praying this helps others from ordering from the Chinese companies. This mistake has cost my family dearly and so far not so good in the recovery process. I'll just keep praying that things will turn around and by a little grace it will.

    I also found five other company names that have basically the same website as lpearls same pictures and everything just different names
    When you click on the contact us in the websites it also shows the same phone number as l pearls... so beware I think it's a complete scamming ring.
    Does anyone know if this is something that should be taking to a higher authority branch like FBI?since local police can't do anything maybe they can?

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    Looks like Lpearls' Aliexpress store is still trading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous View Post
    I felt as if I did my homework I studied for weeks before ever making my first purchase and at the end of the day still fell short. I even went as far as bringing them to a "real" jeweler and allowed him to cut some in half to see what we actually had. He said his findings were surprisingly good, he himself even acted surprised of the quality of our pearls.
    I am going to make a controversial statement, but before doing so would ask others to visit this link first:

    https://www.pearl-guide.com/forum/co...earl-Guide-com

    Part of it reads: (bolding mine)

    The purpose of Pearl-Guide.com is to

    Promote cultured and natural pearls as the world?s most popular and ecologically responsible gemstone
    Protect consumer confidence in the online pearl industry
    Protect consumers from unethical trading practices
    Educate consumers and members of the industry
    Promote honest and universal grading systems
    Promote honest and ethical pearl retailers and wholesalers
    Break the industry's shroud of secrecy through open discussion and debate
    Make breaking news of the industry available as it happens

    Now, if I may be so bold.

    I am going to lay this issue at the feet of the cultured pearl industry. While P-G is motivated to "break the industry's shroud of secrecy through open discussion and debate", other than a small, but terrific group of retailers, there is a woeful lack of contribution from the industry itself. It's a sad day, when a near-indigent, semi-retired deep sea diver is the go-to guy for field information or scientific education.

    Firstly, in the industry's defense, it's important to understand most pearl farms employ non patented, site specific and highly nuanced proprietary techniques in their respective operations.

    That said, the fear of competition has undermined transparency and disclosure standards. It all began at the turn of the 1900's with the co-option of work done in Australia, namely that of William Saville-Kent by Japanese national interests. Not only was his intellectual property co-opted, he was not even cited for nearly a century.

    Debunking-a-Widely-Held-Japanese-Myth

    Even the cultural methodology itself was controversial among the Japanese industry. The patent, otherwise known as the Nishikawa/Mise procedure was an acrimonious, highly contentious legal fray. Authorship was dubious (if not outright plagiarized), back dated and suppressed.

    In fact, Japan invoked racially charged, highly protectionist laws preventing it's citizenry from even discussing pearl technology with non-nationals. These laws remained on the books only until recent times, having since been repealed.

    To detract from the dark side of his involvement, Kokichi Mikimoto deliberately embarked upon perpetuating the proverbial "grain of sand" myth. While grains of sand can be implicated for the onset in a minuscule percentage of natural pearl occurences, it's never used in cultural operations. However, to this very day... the greater part of the world's population believe it to be true.

    To that end, given the level of ignorance among the masses, it continues to be low hanging fruit for fraud and misrepresentation. The sheer volume is epidemic and insidious. Even when folks make a conscious effort to research intensively, they're often misled, obstructed, even eschewed for doing so. I've studied pearls since I was a boy of eight. As I near retirement, I've never met another established pearl farmer in person nor been invited to attend their sites. Mainly for fear of "stealing" their technology, when really the opposite is true. Don't get me wrong, I don't deride pearl farming, only this aspect of it. Otherwise, I have nothing but the highest respect for farmers, their good stewardship, fine products, hard work and right to do so.

    Natural pearling in history is not without it's reputation, either. The greed and reckless abandon of crass commercialism has devastated, if not extincted massive tracts of shellfish stocks on a global scale. I am infinitely grateful to have near-exclusive access to one of the last remaining intact bio-masses on the planet. I have a lot of eyes on what I do, but take extraordinary measures to be self-regulating in a spirit of co-operation in conservation, science, education, public health and safety. I'm no threat to anyone or anything, except to those who would do others wrong.

    My work is open source, for the most part. It's not my sole purpose to produce objects of vanity, insomuch as understanding the ecology of all living things and to uphold a clean, bountiful environment for all beings.

    The pick-a-pearl, pearl opening party is little more than a pyramid scheme and a sham, perpetuated by ill-informed neophytes. The lack of knowledge, bogus grading (not to mention poor handling of highly toxic materials) and allure of shoddy trinkets have bilked consumers away from otherwise reputable, genuine and sustainable producers.
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    An eloquent statement, Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearl Dreams View Post
    An eloquent statement, Dave.
    Wholeheartedly agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous View Post
    Thanks everyone just praying this helps others from ordering from the Chinese companies. This mistake has cost my family dearly and so far not so good in the recovery process. I'll just keep praying that things will turn around and by a little grace it will.

    I also found five other company names that have basically the same website as lpearls same pictures and everything just different names
    When you click on the contact us in the websites it also shows the same phone number as l pearls... so beware I think it's a complete scamming ring.
    Does anyone know if this is something that should be taking to a higher authority branch like FBI?since local police can't do anything maybe they can?
    If you were sold pearls that were mis-labled or that were preserved in undisclosed materials (potentially hazardous) you have a couple of courses...you can file a complaint with your State Attorney General and you can file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission.

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    Great post Dave!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyPearl View Post
    If you were sold pearls that were mis-labled or that were preserved in undisclosed materials (potentially hazardous) you have a couple of courses...you can file a complaint with your State Attorney General and you can file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission.
    Perhaps OSHA, too. Anything deemed or potentially deemed hazardous must have an accompanying Material Data Safety Sheet, outlining the specific hazards, safe shipping / handling instructions and barrier protection requirements.

    UPS states: MSDS or Material Safety Data Sheet: May indicate a product is hazardous. Ensure that the shipment receives expert analysis before being advanced. These are transported in a similar manner to sampling. Samples for Testing: May contain any number of dangerous goods.

    I ship samples all the time. The post office requires whether samples are stable if damaged and exclude a broad spectrum of preservatives, bio hazards or volatile substances. For example, ethanol as a preservative is not permitted.

    I've not seen the factories where wish pearls are artificially reconstructed. Tissue preservatives, like formaldehyde do well to preserve cell integrity, but smell to high heaven, especially with marine species. Bromine is used in hot tubs, but in low enough concentrations to demote algal growth, but not to preserve tissues, lest one would be pickled while bathing. Likewise, bromine was a critical component in HALON fire suppression systems, thus banned. Pearl buckets are shipped and retained at room temperature, hence the concentrations of whatever preserves the oyster is exceedingly high. From what I've seen in videos or in person, almost every person handling these oysters wear no barrier protection at all. Rather than thoroughly washing after each opening, most party hosts or kiosk merchants merely wipe their hands then handle drilling equipment and settings which are immediately worn when in person. I've never seen one piece washed before handing it over, ever.

    The oysters themselves may be (or highly likely) borne of waters polluted by sewage, factor wastes, dangerous pathogens or other bio hazards. Normally, bivalve mollusks "adduct" to remain closed. When demised, the shells abduct. In other words... drawn apart. To prevent this, something must take place, likely chemical. Thermal treatment causes the adductor muscle to become dislodged from the shell. Clams, mussels and oysters pop open when cooked or gape while dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagoon Island Pearls View Post

    Perhaps OSHA, too. Anything deemed or potentially deemed hazardous must have an accompanying Material Data Safety Sheet, outlining the specific hazards, safe shipping / handling instructions and barrier protection requirements.

    UPS states: MSDS or Material Safety Data Sheet: May indicate a product is hazardous. Ensure that the shipment receives expert analysis before being advanced. These are transported in a similar manner to sampling. Samples for Testing: May contain any number of dangerous goods.

    I ship samples all the time. The post office requires whether samples are stable if damaged and exclude a broad spectrum of preservatives, bio hazards or volatile substances. For example, ethanol as a preservative is not permitted.

    I've not seen the factories where wish pearls are artificially reconstructed. Tissue preservatives, like formaldehyde do well to preserve cell integrity, but smell to high heaven, especially with marine species. Bromine is used in hot tubs, but in low enough concentrations to demote algal growth, but not to preserve tissues, lest one would be pickled while bathing. Likewise, bromine was a critical component in HALON fire suppression systems, thus banned. Pearl buckets are shipped and retained at room temperature, hence the concentrations of whatever preserves the oyster is exceedingly high. From what I've seen in videos or in person, almost every person handling these oysters wear no barrier protection at all. Rather than thoroughly washing after each opening, most party hosts or kiosk merchants merely wipe their hands then handle drilling equipment and settings which are immediately worn when in person. I've never seen one piece washed before handing it over, ever.

    The oysters themselves may be (or highly likely) borne of waters polluted by sewage, factor wastes, dangerous pathogens or other bio hazards. Normally, bivalve mollusks "adduct" to remain closed. When demised, the shells abduct. In other words... drawn apart. To prevent this, something must take place, likely chemical. Thermal treatment causes the adductor muscle to become dislodged from the shell. Clams, mussels and oysters pop open when cooked or gape while dying.
    Dave...good thought. These wish pearls are a bad idea all around.

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    I have a dispute with them as well. I read another thread in here and wanted to start my own pearl party business for local customers. I ordered some from LPearl on November 7th and still haven't received them. I submitted a PayPal dispute and then they supposedly mailed my order. I'll know tomorrow if they are really in the package. I wish I had seen this post. I too read posts in here and online and I felt like I did my homework finding LPearl. I'm disappointed and nervous now. Are there any honest companies to buy these from? I hope I get my money back. I had every intention to disclose to my friends that they might not hold any value and are meant for the experience. Sigh



    Quote Originally Posted by jshepherd View Post
    I received a sad and disturbing telephone call yesterday. A gentleman and his wife had seen one of the "Open an Oyster" parties on Facebook and decided to start their own business.
    The man had ordered a few hundred shells online, opened them and took the pearls to a local jeweler. The jeweler had (unfortunately) confirmed they were saltwater pearls. He even identified the black pearls as Tahitian pearls instead of dyed freshwater pearls like they really are.

    He had purchased the shells from AliExpress via a company called lpearls. They have a website, lpearls.com. I remember this website from nearly a decade ago using gray and black-hat SEO techniques to rank on Google. The website still looks the same today.

    Believing they could start their own business, the gentleman put all the money they had into buying more shells - several thousand dollars. This week they received a shipment filled with empty boxes from lpearls.com. Lpearls then deleted their account and sent the tracking number to PayPal in an attempt to prove they had shipped pearls in an oyster to him.

    I advised him to fight it out with PayPal, which typically sides with the consumer when there is fraud involved.

    This is the site information for LPearls.com:

    Registrant Name: ZHANG XIAO YUN
    Registrant Organization: LPEARLS
    Registrant Street: GUANGZHOU CITY,GUANGDONG PROVINCE
    Registrant City: GUANGZHOU
    Registrant Postal Code: 510507
    Registrant Country: CN
    Registrant Phone: +86.2087642246
    Registrant Email:

    I know a lot of the members here have strong feelings about the "open an oyster" fad. But now real people are being harmed by this and I am posting this thread in hopes that other people considering starting this sort of business will use extra caution when dealing with companies in China that might have no problem ripping off an easy, gullible target.

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    Thank you Jeremy and everyone else. I too hope nobody else has been scammed. I planned on wearing gloves and researching how to dispose of the shells after.

    Quote Originally Posted by jshepherd View Post
    I received a sad and disturbing telephone call yesterday. A gentleman and his wife had seen one of the "Open an Oyster" parties on Facebook and decided to start their own business.

    The man had ordered a few hundred shells online, opened them and took the pearls to a local jeweler. The jeweler had (unfortunately) confirmed they were saltwater pearls. He even identified the black pearls as Tahitian pearls instead of dyed freshwater pearls like they really are.

    He had purchased the shells from AliExpress via a company called lpearls. They have a website, lpearls.com. I remember this website from nearly a decade ago using gray and black-hat SEO techniques to rank on Google. The website still looks the same today.

    Believing they could start their own business, the gentleman put all the money they had into buying more shells - several thousand dollars. This week they received a shipment filled with empty boxes from lpearls.com. Lpearls then deleted their account and sent the tracking number to PayPal in an attempt to prove they had shipped pearls in an oyster to him.

    I advised him to fight it out with PayPal, which typically sides with the consumer when there is fraud involved.

    This is the site information for LPearls.com:

    Registrant Name: ZHANG XIAO YUN
    Registrant Organization: LPEARLS
    Registrant Street: GUANGZHOU CITY,GUANGDONG PROVINCE
    Registrant City: GUANGZHOU
    Registrant Postal Code: 510507
    Registrant Country: CN
    Registrant Phone: +86.2087642246
    Registrant Email:

    I know a lot of the members here have strong feelings about the "open an oyster" fad. But now real people are being harmed by this and I am posting this thread in hopes that other people considering starting this sort of business will use extra caution when dealing with companies in China that might have no problem ripping off an easy, gullible target.

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    I'm sorry to read you are having a similar problem. Please post an update if/when your order arrives.

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    Thank you, I'm going to video record me opening the box and I'll zoom in on the label first just in case I need it.

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    MyPearls, I have 26 years in shipping and handling experience. I recommend you video and still photograph that package and label, on a scale, showing the package weight ... UNOPENED. That should document the weight of the package versus the contents in case of a dispute. Then do the same photographs of the box and the contents laid out next to the box. Good luck to you; please come back and let us know how you make out.
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    And another one?
    What is going on with this scam on top of a scam?

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