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    I totally agree R&B.
    I too have supplied exactly what the customer wants only for the customer to find it looks like nothing on her, no matter how fabulous the pearl.
    You could, if you have the 'face' for it, go round jewellers' shops trying on various necklaces with a friend who could take your picture, or you could (more tactfully) try out fabric and print samples of all the shades of yellow on your arm and neck to see what leaps then send that sample to your chosen pearl supplier.
    Hope this helps
    Wendy

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    Hello Alex,

    Here is another grading system that deviates from the description above. It also breaks down grade by characteristic. What are your thoughts on this. http://www.pearlsonly.ca/pearl-gradi...ide/index.html

    Also, I took a look at the ss golden pearls and found the prices relatively high, is it because the quality of the pearls are exceptional?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    wow - now that IS a nice necklace...... :-)

    re the differnce between AA, AA+ and AAA, the difference would be

    AAA Flawless on at least 90% of pearl’s surface
    Only 10% of pearl’s surface may exhibit slight, concentrated imperfections
    Only a single deep inclusion allowable
    Pearl should drill or set clean to virtually clean
    Luster very high to excellent*

    A/B AA+ Flawless on at least 80% of pearl’s surface
    Only 20% of pearl’s surface may exhibit slight, concentrated imperfections
    Only one or two deep inclusions allowable
    Pearl should drill or set clean to nearly clean
    Luster is high to very high*

    B AA Flawless on at least 70% of pearl’s surface
    Only 30% of pearl’s surface may exhibit slight, concentrated imperfections
    Only one or two deep inclusions allowable
    Pearl should drill or set nearly clean
    Luster is high to very high*

    so yes, probably noticeable - as you will have seen from the diffrence in the photos on the PP site between AA and AA+, but then all a matter of degree, and what would be acceptable to you

    You could try a Private Message (PM) to Jeremy at PP - 'jshepherd' on your PM page, re your requirements

    Cannot comment on other on-line vendors, but maybe beware AAAA ratings......

    but PP (and other P-G vendors) are 100% reliable
    Last edited by Artpearl; 01-19-2012 at 07:08 PM. Reason: forgot to quote source

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    Thank you Rusty and Bronwyn,

    I'm so glad to have found this site and get feedback from people like you and your wife. I've been going about my search in silence by going online and in stores (surprizing little pearl knowledge in even high end jewerly stores). I've love pearls all my life and it's so wonderful to read and talk to folks that also love pearls.

    I agree with colour matching skin tones. I have fair skin and hair and I've had the opportunity to try on a ss golden necklace that looked really great on. I will go and try on another golden pearl necklace just to make sure that it looks as good as I think it looks and compare with white and tahitian. I will also do the inner arm test to see the contrast. More homework for me .
    Thank you for your advise and words of encouragement.





    Quote Originally Posted by R&B View Post
    Gidday Artpearl
    You've created a lot of interest amongst Pearl-Guide.
    I state at the outset, My wife and I cannot provide what you want. No sales pitch from us.
    The best line you've printed so far is that "you are prepared to wait for the pearls you dream of".
    Here are some basics to consider:
    The skin shade on your inner forearm is pretty well your natural colour.
    I've witnessed it many times over the years with all South Sea Pearls, people are shown a beautiful strand in a box or on a bust and instantly believe it to be just for them.
    However some skin tones camoflage the pearls to the extent they look nothing like they did in the box.
    Pearl colour shades are fantastic, but you really need to get whats right for you.
    Before farming I was a pearl trader and retailer. I alway's asked the person buying, be it a strand or singlular peice, to place it on their inner forearm to see if there's a good contrast. Most times people are amazed at the differences.
    As pearl growers, traders, retailers or simply pearl lovers, we should all be encouraging people to do this so the recipient always gets whats "right" for them.
    This is the real problem for pearl traders on the internet.
    Good luck with your pursuit Artpearl, take your time, enjoy spending your hard earned but do it "right".

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    Great advise, I will attempt to photograph the pearls on and compare with white and black. Would you know what yellow paint colours most closely resemble golden pearls?

    Quote Originally Posted by pearlescence View Post
    I totally agree R&B.
    I too have supplied exactly what the customer wants only for the customer to find it looks like nothing on her, no matter how fabulous the pearl.
    You could, if you have the 'face' for it, go round jewellers' shops trying on various necklaces with a friend who could take your picture, or you could (more tactfully) try out fabric and print samples of all the shades of yellow on your arm and neck to see what leaps then send that sample to your chosen pearl supplier.
    Hope this helps
    Wendy

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    Hi again Artpearl

    I am not familiar with the alternate grading system that you posted, although at first glance the pearls look fabulous (but perhaps not surprisingly with a price tag to match)

    Clearly this will be a 'once in a lifetime' puchase for you, so it must be right (for you)

    My advice would be to keep researching, and keep on asking questions

    Ultimately, if you decide to purchase on-line, you are likely to come up with a short-list of vendors

    At that point you are probably going to start asking those vendors some very specific questions, based on what you want - don't be shy - at which point you should get back some very specific answers, if you don't, beware......

    Obviously one of those questions should be do they have a 100% cash returns policy (not exchange)

    Then if you are up for it, (can be a bit scary - I know 'cause I have done it with Hanadamas....) and you have the cash-flow to support it, you can have the best of both worlds, e.g on-line prices, pearls to try on, handle, and see in the flesh, and then return if you don't like them, or you find they are not as described. You can do this, one-vendor-at-a-time, as it were

    Obviously this is not for everyone, and some folk do prefer the 'safety' of purchasing from a 'bricks and mortar' store - but you are likely to pay a premium for that. Horses for courses really.....

    Ultimately, it will be your choice, which is as it should be. But you are obviously looking for some really special (and expensive) pearls - which is GREAT

    Take your time, do your homework (as you are doing !!) and then .... well, then comes that deep breath moment, but if you follow the advice here on P-G, and your own heart's desire, I reckon you're going to get those pearls...... :-)

    Very best of luck with it
    Alex

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    Art:

    I understand your reluctance to make a huge purchase like this online. It is nice to be able to see what you're buying and handle it in person before making the purchase--especially when it comes to jewelry. That said, I strongly suggest you consider buying online. When it comes to an item like ss pearls, they not easy to find--even harder to find good quality and value. Although price obviously matters, it's not like a TV where the product is readily available and all that matters is price. When it comes to Pearls, it's been my experience most local jewelers don't know a darn thing about them. Maybe they have a few strands and read the lit provided by Imperial or Mastrolini or one of the established old school vendors, but pearls make up a very small part of their business.

    If you're lucky to find a B&M that even carries golden SS's, maybe they have one or two strands in the store (if you're lucky). My wife and I stop in to Tiffany's every couple of months to look around. They have had the same strand of 10-12MM Golden SS sitting in the case for the past year (asking ~$17,000 for it). That's the only one they have in the store--and that's Tiffany's!! Check out Pearl Paradise, Pearl Source, American Pearl etc--they have between 10 and 20 golden SS strands at any time. If you don't like a particular strand for whatever reason (color is too light, too dark, a blemish bothers you etc), you can get a replacement.

    In addition, this vendors only deal in pearls. They know their business. Jeremy and I may have had tiny disagreement int the past <wink>, but there are maybe a handful of people on earth that know more about pearls than he does. He not going to risk his reputation by selling you a product that isn't perfect--and if it's not perfect, he's going to make sure you know about it in advance. He's not the only one like that---I have had great experiences with several other vendors in the past as well.

    In addition, the reputable sites generally market each strand individually--so that the strand you see in the picture is the strand you're buying. It can be hard to tell color, tone and surface defects from photos, so, if you are uncertain, ask for more pictures in different types of lighting conditions. I have never heard of a vendor that wouldn't take the time out of his or her day to take some pictures of a $6,000 strand of pearls at a customer's request (if they don't do it--or take a year and a day--don't buy from them). They'll even gladly photograph flaws and blemishes on the strand. While they want their pearls to look good in photos, most of the reputable vendors aren't like Burger King that publishes pictures where the whopper in the photo doesn't look like any whopper you've ever seen at one of their stores.

    If photos aren't giving you enough comfort, most reputable vendors also have liberal return policies. For example, Pearl Paradise, have 90 day return policy (other companies have 30, 60 and 90 day return policies as well) . You're not really taking a huge risk if you buy a strand and aren't satisfied for some reason. They will take it back--no questions asked (just like Costco or Amazon).

    Practically, it's truly in their best interest to make you happy. Online business can only operate if they have their customer's trust. That means no hassles. At a minimum, they know that a person with $6,000 in disposable income to spend on a luxury item like pearls likely has friends they can refer or, if we assume the worst about vendors, that bad vendor also knows that if he tries to stick you with a $6000 strand of pearls, you have the resources to hire a lawyer and make their lives miserable.

    I said my peace. Looking forward to hearing what happens!!

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    Hi Alex,

    Again, thank you for great advice. I will continue to do my research both in store and on-line. In store to actually handle and try on pearls (colour test to see if the colour suits and size to make sure that I get the right look -not too big as I find them to look like Wilma Flintsone's necklace, etc). On line to get valuable information and sourcing. Price, qaulity and value is very much part of the equation.

    You are right, it will be a once in a life time purchase. I will definately take my time to find them and make sure that the vendor is reputable and knowledgeable with "full cash back return". I am looking for something special but cost is an issue. It needs to be special but still has to be something that I can wear every day.

    I'll keep you posted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Hi again Artpearl

    I am not familiar with the alternate grading system that you posted, although at first glance the pearls look fabulous (but perhaps not surprisingly with a price tag to match)

    Clearly this will be a 'once in a lifetime' puchase for you, so it must be right (for you)

    My advice would be to keep researching, and keep on asking questions

    Ultimately, if you decide to purchase on-line, you are likely to come up with a short-list of vendors

    At that point you are probably going to start asking those vendors some very specific questions, based on what you want - don't be shy - at which point you should get back some very specific answers, if you don't, beware......

    Obviously one of those questions should be do they have a 100% cash returns policy (not exchange)

    Then if you are up for it, (can be a bit scary - I know 'cause I have done it with Hanadamas....) and you have the cash-flow to support it, you can have the best of both worlds, e.g on-line prices, pearls to try on, handle, and see in the flesh, and then return if you don't like them, or you find they are not as described. You can do this, one-vendor-at-a-time, as it were

    Obviously this is not for everyone, and some folk do prefer the 'safety' of purchasing from a 'bricks and mortar' store - but you are likely to pay a premium for that. Horses for courses really.....

    Ultimately, it will be your choice, which is as it should be. But you are obviously looking for some really special (and expensive) pearls - which is GREAT

    Take your time, do your homework (as you are doing !!) and then .... well, then comes that deep breath moment, but if you follow the advice here on P-G, and your own heart's desire, I reckon you're going to get those pearls...... :-)

    Very best of luck with it

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    Hello est 190,

    I'm slowly gaining confidence in considering a purchase on line. The more I read on this site, the more I'm reassured.


    Yes, are absolutely right about retail stores that carry pearls, they have a very limited selection and staff that has a limited knowledge. I aked to see a ssgolden pearl necklace at a high end retail store only to see that it was visably pitted. The saleswoman explained to me that this is how I know that they are real. I didn't even want to try them on, the asking price was a whopping $7,000-yikes. Honestly, I would not have paid more than 500-1000 for them and not sure I would have ever worn them.

    I will continue to ask and get information. I will definately start contacting the various sites to see waht they carry and the prices, plus policies.

    I'll keep you informed.

    Quote Originally Posted by est190 View Post
    Art:

    I understand your reluctance to make a huge purchase like this online. It is nice to be able to see what you're buying and handle it in person before making the purchase--especially when it comes to jewelry. That said, I strongly suggest you consider buying online. When it comes to an item like ss pearls, they not easy to find--even harder to find good quality and value. Although price obviously matters, it's not like a TV where the product is readily available and all that matters is price. When it comes to Pearls, it's been my experience most local jewelers don't know a darn thing about them. Maybe they have a few strands and read the lit provided by Imperial or Mastrolini or one of the established old school vendors, but pearls make up a very small part of their business.

    If you're lucky to find a B&M that even carries golden SS's, maybe they have one or two strands in the store (if you're lucky). My wife and I stop in to Tiffany's every couple of months to look around. They have had the same strand of 10-12MM Golden SS sitting in the case for the past year (asking ~$17,000 for it). That's the only one they have in the store--and that's Tiffany's!! Check out Pearl Paradise, Pearl Source, American Pearl etc--they have between 10 and 20 golden SS strands at any time. If you don't like a particular strand for whatever reason (color is too light, too dark, a blemish bothers you etc), you can get a replacement.

    In addition, this vendors only deal in pearls. They know their business. Jeremy and I may have had tiny disagreement int the past <wink>, but there are maybe a handful of people on earth that know more about pearls than he does. He not going to risk his reputation by selling you a product that isn't perfect--and if it's not perfect, he's going to make sure you know about it in advance. He's not the only one like that---I have had great experiences with several other vendors in the past as well.

    In addition, the reputable sites generally market each strand individually--so that the strand you see in the picture is the strand you're buying. It can be hard to tell color, tone and surface defects from photos, so, if you are uncertain, ask for more pictures in different types of lighting conditions. I have never heard of a vendor that wouldn't take the time out of his or her day to take some pictures of a $6,000 strand of pearls at a customer's request (if they don't do it--or take a year and a day--don't buy from them). They'll even gladly photograph flaws and blemishes on the strand. While they want their pearls to look good in photos, most of the reputable vendors aren't like Burger King that publishes pictures where the whopper in the photo doesn't look like any whopper you've ever seen at one of their stores.

    If photos aren't giving you enough comfort, most reputable vendors also have liberal return policies. For example, Pearl Paradise, have 90 day return policy (other companies have 30, 60 and 90 day return policies as well) . You're not really taking a huge risk if you buy a strand and aren't satisfied for some reason. They will take it back--no questions asked (just like Costco or Amazon).

    Practically, it's truly in their best interest to make you happy. Online business can only operate if they have their customer's trust. That means no hassles. At a minimum, they know that a person with $6,000 in disposable income to spend on a luxury item like pearls likely has friends they can refer or, if we assume the worst about vendors, that bad vendor also knows that if he tries to stick you with a $6000 strand of pearls, you have the resources to hire a lawyer and make their lives miserable.

    I said my peace. Looking forward to hearing what happens!!

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    Artpearl
    You may be in the UK or commonwealth somewhere since I spot a U in your colour. Can I just point out that you are somewhat protected in any part of Europe as by law a vendor must refund for goods bought online and then returned within 14 days under the Distance Selling Regulations. It isn't voluntary.

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    I believe Artpearl mentioned being from Canada, not the UK. Consumers' best protection comes from the credit card companies. If a company does not abide by its own terms of service, the credit card companies refund their money and the vendors' accounts are deducted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jshepherd View Post
    I believe Artpearl mentioned being from Canada, not the UK. Consumers' best protection comes from the credit card companies. If a company does not abide by its own terms of service, the credit card companies refund their money and the vendors' accounts are deducted.
    Excellent point. I am not sure what mastercard and visa offer, but American Express has a reputation for being the best card for consumer purchase protection. Every AMEX card provides users with: (1) a 90 day return policy on any purchase they make using the card; (2) automatically extends any warranty for five years or less for up to one year (if it's a 90 day warranty, it doubles to 180, a one year warranty becomes 2 years etc, a two year warranty becomes 3 years, etc.); (3) insurance for purchase theft or loss for 90 days from date of purchase (great for jewelry purchase). I spilled coffee into my 1.5 year old macbook pro earlier this year (that was a bad moment) and, even though I probably shouldn't have been covered (since it was clearly my fault), I put in a claim just for the heck of it and AMEX gave me an $1100 credit towards the repair of my computer or the purchase of a new computer (yay!). I assume they offer the same or a similar program in Canada. Here's a link to their explanation of the program: https://www212.americanexpress.com/d...0037b3ad94RCRD

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    A good reason for not leaving home without one.

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    Hi Wendy,

    Close, I live in Canada, originally from Montreal, now living in Toronto. I do have two sisters living in the UK, so it's good to know for them..or me when I visit.



    Quote Originally Posted by pearlescence View Post
    Artpearl
    You may be in the UK or commonwealth somewhere since I spot a U in your colour. Can I just point out that you are somewhat protected in any part of Europe as by law a vendor must refund for goods bought online and then returned within 14 days under the Distance Selling Regulations. It isn't voluntary.

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    Great info. Did not know that AmEx had such a good plan. Time to investigate this again.

    Quote Originally Posted by est190 View Post
    Excellent point. I am not sure what mastercard and visa offer, but American Express has a reputation for being the best card for consumer purchase protection. Every AMEX card provides users with: (1) a 90 day return policy on any purchase they make using the card; (2) automatically extends any warranty for five years or less for up to one year (if it's a 90 day warranty, it doubles to 180, a one year warranty becomes 2 years etc, a two year warranty becomes 3 years, etc.); (3) insurance for purchase theft or loss for 90 days from date of purchase (great for jewelry purchase). I spilled coffee into my 1.5 year old macbook pro earlier this year (that was a bad moment) and, even though I probably shouldn't have been covered (since it was clearly my fault), I put in a claim just for the heck of it and AMEX gave me an $1100 credit towards the repair of my computer or the purchase of a new computer (yay!). I assume they offer the same or a similar program in Canada. Here's a link to their explanation of the program: https://www212.americanexpress.com/d...0037b3ad94RCRD

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    Too bad I did not know about you/company while I was living in California (1 year in LA and 5 years in SF) I would loved to have come to visit you in person. I'll likely come in person on my next visit with my AmEx card .

    Quote Originally Posted by jshepherd View Post
    I believe Artpearl mentioned being from Canada, not the UK. Consumers' best protection comes from the credit card companies. If a company does not abide by its own terms of service, the credit card companies refund their money and the vendors' accounts are deducted.

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