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    Please pardon my imagination

    I am thinking about the keshi-called-naturals. I am so puzzled about why/how keshi form. Something must have roughed the mollusks' mantles up enough to stimulate tiny pearl sacks to form.

    Couldn't pearl growers simply poke the mantles of mollusks just enough to carry a few cells of epithelial tissue inside the mantle? These would often produce pearl sacks and thus deliberate keshi could be formed. Maybe with the correct poker-thingy the shapes of the pearls could be made rounder?

    So the keshi-called naturals could be formed by a good poke in the mantle, then left to form pearl sacks which would then grow a "Natural Pearl"- in the mantle where such things usually grow. It is probably far less traumatic than a wound to the gonads.

    Why wouldn't this work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlin View Post
    Couldn't pearl growers simply poke the mantles of mollusks just enough to carry a few cells of epithelial tissue inside the mantle? These would often produce pearl sacks and thus deliberate keshi could be formed. Maybe with the correct poker-thingy the shapes of the pearls could be made rounder?
    It would seem this is exactly what is taking place, especially in places like Indonesia, resulting in the flood of keshis (pre-screened for 'naturalness' in lab X-Rays) being received by the pearl labs. Thus the just-completed, unprecedented urgent conference among the labs, and the moratorium by at least one regarding continuing certification of loose Pinctada pearls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlin View Post
    So the keshi-called naturals could be formed by a good poke in the mantle?
    No matter how you slice it, inadvertent or otherwise, a poke in the mantle is a cultural event.
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    Very interesting.
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    Of course it is a cultural event. That is the problem with calling them naturals instead of keshi.
    There seem to be 2 problems with this.
    They have gotten so good at making deliberate round keshi
    -and the auction houses have a tradition of calling keshi naturals-that they think it is ok to call deliberately controlled keshi, naturals.

    It seems to me that the auction houses are the actual cause of this loophole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lagoon island pearls View Post
    no matter how you slice it, inadvertent or otherwise, a poke in the mantle is a cultural event.
    pmsl!!!.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlin View Post
    It seems to me that the auction houses are the actual cause of this loophole.
    That the auction houses would maximize the value of keshi via undue comparison with natural is shameful, but I don't see them going so far as to risk devaluating their lucrative natural pearl lots.

    The more insidious crime is the use of natural pearl beads (specifically pinna) as exposed by GemLab, given the undeniable intent to deceive. Keshis are a bit more innocent in origin, but the root of apparently massive deception nonetheless.

    Let's just hope that the collective research of the pearl labs resulting from their recent Persian Gulf conference can come up with definitive tests for keshi vs. natural soon, thus allowing pearl lovers to benefit from the advances in non-bead-nucleated saltwaters, while preserving the traditions and integrity of the natural market.
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    I am so with you on this. I await the answer with impatience.

    Using pinna pearls to nucleate is a great way to get solid nacre pearls and it recycles the pinna pearls in a really useful way. It just should be disclosed. Getting those perfect round keshi is nice too, anther way to get solid nacre, in nice round shapes, but it should be disclosed too.

    It destroys the rarity of natural pearls to pass cultured pearls off as natural. Natural pearls are wild-grown. No person's hand can be on them, helping them in any way, from causing a pearl to form, to tending it in any way.

    I'd like to see a sign that the auction houses are listening up. After all a bunch of people already have "natural" keshi pearl necklaces. Now the auction houses have to correct that poor practice and anger a bunch of customers who don't have natural, pearls afterall. I wonder how long it will take for them figure out a way to explain themselves.

    In fact, I think auction houses created the loophole/market for natural keshi. If keshi are called natural, then certainly beautiful, fat, round keshi should be natural too. The pearl labs did not interfere with auction houses for years when they called keshi natural pearls- and now someone clever has just expanded the loophole by producing really round keshi.

    This is a mess created by greed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlin View Post
    It destroys the rarity of natural pearls to pass cultured pearls off as natural ....
    Thank you.

    After xrays, microscopy, weighing etc, many naturals never get certified. Most labs have little or no baseline data to compare each and every species. It's expensive, strict and time consuming.

    Even provenance from licensing, leases, photography etc., does little to dispell the skepticism.

    "Human intervention by any means" is a term some will sidestep when it comes to keshi pearls. Harvesting and relaying spat is mariculture. In the rare event a mollusk forms a pearl naturally during juvenile rearing, it's still within a cultured environment, hence it's value is overshadowed by default.

    The natural might sometimes be older in age from pre-graft development, presenting with more layers or expanded seasonal growth patterns.

    So you are right Caitlin, it destroys the rarity of natural pearls to pass cultured pearls off as natural, because it causes naturals to get passed off as keshis.
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    Just to inform you of some of our "old" research in the field of Pearl Production (circa 1995): we tried many methods of pearl production in many different species of native bivalves (Rainbow & Black Lips, Pen shells and Scallops) including: using "needles" to displace the mantle within itself, electric shocks on the mantle, chemical & neurotoxic damage on the mantle, biological threats (thank God George Bush Jr. never heard of this...) on the mantle such as: polychaete worms, cnidarian stings, bee stings. Heck! We even tried sand! In all instances: ZERO PEARLS.
    It ain't easy to grow cultured pearls...to me it is almost impossible to produce "natural" pearls. Those are in God's Hands...

    Keshi Pearls are cultured pearls...beautiful pearls... but they are not natural pearls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagoon Island Pearls View Post
    After xrays, microscopy, weighing etc, many naturals never get certified. Most labs have little or no baseline data to compare each and every species. It's expensive, strict and time consuming.

    And they are still at it:

    http://www.ssef.ch/en/news/news_pdf/...omographyl.pdf


    Quote Originally Posted by Lagoon Island Pearls View Post
    In the rare event a mollusk forms a pearl naturally during juvenile rearing, it's still within a cultured environment, hence it's value is overshadowed by default.
    At least for some keshi there are clues to look for already [LINK] and one might imagine that this kind of work has not been pushed to the last consequence yet - its limitations are yet to be defined.

    I am afraid that those other pearls happening all by themselves are more mysterious still. 'Intervention' is a philosophical concept to them: pearls may as well be unaffected, their frequency only under question.

    And even then... at least in theory pearl banks can / should be restocked up to whatever capacity of the given ecosystem. You wouldn't have young shells looked at before release, but banks culled. It isn't just theory and need not be poaching either - perhaps someone's idea of keeping a piece of landscape and culture float.

    That definition of 'natural' and 'intervention' should get quite a bit more interesting to account for such things. Nevermind ogling the pearls ex post...


    All in all, I don't see how pearls could be worth the trouble, even if Christie's is getting half of their worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CortezPearls View Post

    ...we tried many methods of pearl production in many different species ...

    Keshi Pearls are cultured pearls...beautiful pearls... but they are not natural pearls.
    I have looked just about everywhere for an account [i.e. observation] of how keshi form, but no one appears to have bothered with them much until just about now. Haenni's report [same as above] appears to fill this gap with an educated guess:


    [in caption, figure 2] "Keshi pearls from Japanese Akoya production. The
    smaller ones are mantle pearls which grew as a reaction to
    damage at the edge of the shell and in the mantle epithelium
    incurred during handling. The small size is consistent
    with the short period of time between the operation and the
    harvesting."


    and below on page 2


    "It is interesting that these original keshi
    pearls were found in the mantle tissue, and
    not in the gonads that had received the
    mantle tissue transplant. They therefore
    cannot owe their formation directly to the
    transplanted epithelium. That they are
    always small has to be related to the age of
    the shell, or more correctly, with the length
    of time between the handling of the shells
    and harvesting of the crop. The following
    thoughts are deduced from the author’s
    own observations and reflections and are
    presented without having consulted the
    extensive professional literature in Japanese;
    should any of the ideas be similar, apologies
    are offered. "



    You do find keshi too [and rather nice ones at that!]. Do they fit this story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlin View Post

    Couldn't pearl growers simply poke the mantles of mollusks just enough ...
    What you say sounds allot like Haenni's idea of how some keshi form [above], isn't it?

    I wonder whether anyone has a record of the process at all - even in Japanese. What level of detail would be relevant [either for making or breaking 'conspiracy' - same difference] is another question.

    SSEF's idea to date pearls sounds rather nice all of a sudden...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smetzler View Post
    It would seem this is exactly what is taking place, especially in places like Indonesia, resulting in the flood of keshis.
    That, or shoestring nucleation...

    For the pearls deemed confusing at the buying end [GIA's lab note has a handful of examples deemed as such, looking awfully similar to all others] the question of whether someone could stay in business from tinkering with oddities alone, may be simply academic. Would hope that at the other end it is anything but.

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    Hi Douglas
    Thanks for your experiments on all those shells.That adds a nice piece of info to the mix. It would take something more than what you did to stimulate pearl formation.

    Your experiments aside, the rest of this is not directed to you. I think you are as honorable as it gets. You would never stoop to lying about pearls, because you are a scientist in service to the pearls and the harsh mistress of your conscience would kick your butt.

    I am imagining that the Pearl Pirates who are now selling the keshi as naturals started about where you finished. They put forth years more of effort and invention to achieve a simple, hollow tool maybe like a syringe, with a dose of loose epithelial cells in it, that will puncture the mantle and then release the precise number of epithelial cells inside the connective tissue of the mantle before it withdraws. It sounds simple, but there are a lot of factors like how to gather and prepare the cells in what liquid solution, what is the right dose to get the sac growing and best placement in the mantle. How to increase the number of round keshi. (maybe the syringe method with liquefied epithelial cells actually produces rounder pearls because they can get together and form a round pearl sack and not have to form it from a slice.)

    I base my idea on Elisabeth Strack's definition of how a pearl forms on page 116 of Pearls, 2006. Effisk put up a photo of her graphics and description somewhere around here.

    Anyway, she says, "Individual epithelium cells find their way inside to the connective tissue (of the mantle), due to an injury of the ectoderm layer. The epithelium cells multiply by division and link together." They link into a sack. The pearl starts forming inside the pearl sack.

    Spontaneous keshi have to form the same way since they are not formed from empty pearl sacks. The mollusk must have had some mantle damage for each spontaneous keshi.

    Maybe the Pearl Pirates didn't even know how pearls form before Strack came out, but clearly, there is some science and planning to their current method, so the they must have learned exactly how to manipulate the epithelial cells to get not only pearls, but round pearls.

    Just my imagination running away with me, but it sounds like it could be done.

    Although manipulated pearls should never be passed off as naturals, surely they will develop their own price range- perhaps higher than beaded pearls, but lower than naturals of the same species.

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