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    I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on weather these are genuine golden SS, and if they are treated or dyed. I received them and in person they appear much lighter and more yellow, more vivid than expecting and they do seem to be a bit more orange-y around the top drill hole (but not the bottom, interestingly). Thoughts?

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    And here's another pearl from the same seller, you can see what I mean about the darker color around the drill hole in this one, it looks just like mine does...

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    You mean, does that look like dye collected at the drill hole? I'd hesitate to say, but a better angle shooting the hole almost directly on, maybe 8* off center would allow a more definitive answer.

    No, I enlarged the second picture and I want to take it back. From the pic enlarged, and at that angle, the drill site looks clean. I think the depth of luster looks good, too, photo 2.

    Photo 1, I think the play of light and depth of luster says not dyed.

    (I'm still the perpetual student, so this is a classroom exercise for me :-) could the Pros please weigh in? Remember, I'm holding my breath, here, so please... )
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    What is the size (in millimeters) of above mentioned pearls?
    Are both side of drill hole darker in intensity?
    Can you see the color of the nuclei and the nacre?

    Just being curious.

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    Hm.. usually dyed golden South Sea pearls are darker in color. But the orange-y color concentrated around top drill hole (I can see it in all of the pics) is making me suspicious.
    Indonesian South Sea Pearls and more...
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/IndoSeaPearls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyril Roger Brossard View Post
    What is the size (in millimeters) of above mentioned pearls?
    Are both side of drill hole darker in intensity?
    Can you see the color of the nuclei and the nacre?

    Just being curious.
    They are about 9 MM, only the top hole seems to be darker, the bottom looks normal. When I look inside the drill hole all I see is white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maiakity View Post
    They are about 9 MM, only the top hole seems to be darker, the bottom looks normal. When I look inside the drill hole all I see is white.
    9mm that is equivalent to 0.29 to 0.30 momme definitely very small.
    Size for a south sea would be around (at least) 1 to 2 millimeters more than what you have. This said, yes 9 mm SS could be produced...

    The nacre's color (white) may not be indicative as well, I mean to say lateral cut of MOP do show color variations and gold tone is at times seen all the way till the periostracum BUT not all the nacre is gold, there is a stratification that is present, so the fact that you see white inside (should be a very small hole though) may not be a telltale.

    Better wait for more experienced to give you better advise.
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    Here is one more pic (not my pearl) from the same seller, looks to be very similar to the pair that I bought...any thoughts on the darker spot actually ON this pearl? I think you can see the drill hole a little better in this one too...

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    I inquired with the seller about possible treatments/dyes to the pearls. She was very nice and responded right away that she buys from several different vendors, and the only treated pearls she purchases are the "chocolate" ones (which she discloses right in the listing). There is just something about the color of these that just seems a little off to me, although that being said I haven't seen that many golden SS in person. I really do like the shape and the luster of these, I just want to make sure that my first (and probably only) purchase of golden SS are actually that, Golden, and not dyed. Thanks for all of your input and opinions!

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    On the last picture, the dark area in the red circle, is it a blemish or the reflection of an object?

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    It's a blemish, here is the same pearl at another angle:

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    Can you photograph inside the drill holes of the pearls you actually have?

    This morning I'm using a magnifying glass with the enlarged setting of my screen, but it's only an iPhone4, so you know how small that is.

    Last night I took out some dyed, bead-nucleated pearls to look at. It's a batch of pearls that I was trying to take the dye off of, pale aqua. Anyway, on the pearls I hadn't interfered with, the appearance of the drill holes on each pearl wasn't uniform. One entrance of the drill hole had a ring of dye concentration. The opposite entrance hole of the same pearl could look very clean, no dye concentration ring at all. A caveat with this information is that this was not a good dye run to begin with, the coverage was thin, and dye concentration spots were very pronounced.

    Were they sold to you as natural-color? Were they expensive? Is the vendor well regarded here?

    eh, I'm an idiot. I just remembered I have some pale,yellow-dyed pearls, so I dug them out. I was hoping to see how the light played around the dyed pearls and then compare it with the play of light in your photos, and peek into the drill holes. I'm still an idiot however, because
    1) I cant see into the drill holes clearly enough to describe the layering, and
    2) the best description I can come up with is that the light bends differently. It illuminates all the way around my Un-dyed pearls, and the dyed pearls don't show the same way.

    so, inexperienced student vote - undyed.




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    Does anyone remember the recent post where 3 SSPearls were pictured side by side, 1 was dyed, 2 were not dyed? Who posted, where can I find it? I'm about of data for my phone or I'd continue to look.

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    Not sure if you mean this thread; the photos are not side by side but there is 1 not enhanced and 2 enhanced:

    http://www.pearl-guide.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5619

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    Thanks, I was Hoping you were reading as you're so good with research.
    The post was three in the same photo, I'm quite sure 1dyed, 2natural color, there was mention of overtones...
    No luck w Tahitians, or Ashley (although I did find three chocolates in a row) still scouring
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