[CLICLASP]

Would it be too hot that you don't find ? like here in Paris,
So here is where it was found
Which one is older ? bracelet or rings ?

[Caitlin]

I am having trouble imagining how they got the bracelet out of a shell. It is so thick. So maybe the rings are older. I've been wrong so far, but I'll keep trying!
What kind of shells are they? Some kind of sea snail?

[CLICLASP]

So the bracelet is .......a Fasciolaria Trapezium or a Xancus Pyrum found in 1908
said to be Suse importations -2600 to -1700 BC

and the rings are from Medio Assyrians, Mari civilisation
said to be as old as XIII to XII s BC
so more recent.

Did you notice the lovely geometrical pattern?

Now the last shell necklace to show, then I promise an antique pearl

Several strands, in between pendants of all shapes (crescent , fishes)
and material : white and pink calcarea (limestone said my dictionary), nacre and the bigger dark pieces are schist.

isn't interesting and very creative, still valid for today !

How old is this one? younger or older than bracelet and rings?
play again

[jerin]

The pattern looks like greek or roman. As to age I have no idea whatsoever. They are beautiful.

I am talking about the rings, not the bracelet!

[CLICLASP]

So neither Greek nor Roman, but from Iran, Suse and around (see map above)

but I'll post some later on ... keep checking

the answer is by order of age :

1 - necklace : said to be -3300 to - 3100 BC, found in 1929, from Uruk, Suse

2 - bracelet : -2600 to -1700 BC found in 1908 in Suse (Fasciolaria Trapezium or a Xancus Pyrum shell)

3 - rings : said to be as old as XIII to XII s BC, from Medio Assyrians, Mari civilisation

That's what Caitlin tells us in History of pearls :
Pearl History of Persia

Pearls from the Gulf of Persia have been known for at least 2,700 years, not through the written word, but sculptures and coins. The gulf pearl beds were arguably the oldest, and largest, ever known. There was no other place in the world where pearl oysters grew more and better pearls, or where it was possible to dive for pearls in more places, than in the relatively warm, shallow waters of the Persian Gulf, with its many fresh water springs. Possibly the oldest pearl necklace still in existence comes from ancient Persia, from a 2,400 year old Queen's tomb. Known as the Susa necklace, it has 3 rows of 72 pearls each, held with spacer bars. This design is one of the oldest pearl necklace styles. The Susa necklace has been shown in the Louvre’s Persian gallery, for over 100 years.

Now at last here are the pearls, see the delicate gold work and mixing with stones

Where is this jewel from and how old is it ?
Still on the hunt ?

[nlerner]

CliClasp, no idea where this piece comes from, but I'm looking now at similar gold work with stones from Greece, dated 2nd century B.C.

[CLICLASP]

Hi Nora,

According to what I red about those cultures, there were great exchanges in gold skills and know how from Greece and ancient Orient, Egypt and so... then inspiration, style copying, favorite patterns exploitation were very frequent
So not surpising that it makes you think of Greece (the said ' orientalist period"),
but this specific one was not found there ...

I give you one more piece of info : it is referred to be more recent that what you quoted ....

I will not post the pictures in order of age to make it more funny

Did you refer to Caitlin's excellent pearl story for more help ?

http://www.pearl-guide.com/pearl-history-timeline.shtml

[La Contessa]

Here I go again -

Spanish or Portugese? During Columbus or a bit later?

[CortezPearls]

Babilonian or Sumerian...looks like something that would have been worn by one of Hamurabbi's wives.
Boy are those interesting!

[CortezPearls]

Nah! On second tought it seems Russian...iconic...probably from the same time of the "Maddona & Child" icon...16th century???

[CLICLASP]

Fantastic how imagination runs ahead with a piece of jewelry !!
To all PG members reading that thread, don't miss the new video on Sea of Cortez pearl (don't by shy Douglas)
You'll love it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN1LrhnG8Kg

Then
-Spanish or Portugese?
sorry not
-Babilonian or Sumerian one of Hamurabbi's wives,
that was for pictures I posted just before surely, but in Museum I vsiited there was no pearl, but fantastic gold and bead pieces from this period
- Russian...iconic
Neither, but later on, will have some ... maybe

But History teaches us that influences come and go through places and ages, so not surprising that one piece makes us think of another one elsewhere.
So did the jewlery makers, setting up their style from other places.

Now the answer is :
Sapphire emerald, pearl in gold in the Roman world of the IV century, found in Syria

Just another piece from another museum in the same idea, a bracelet said : "opus interrasile" (with designed holes cut into gold)
same place same age, sapphires and pearls, a child bracelet.

Nice isn't it ? See how the pearl still holds the luster.

[CLICLASP]

Ready to play again ?

Aren't they really lovely ?
Would you wear it today?

Where and when do they come from in your idea?
Play again

[Nerida]

The Roman bangle/cuff is definitely something I would wear.... still amazingly beautiful and stylish!

[nlerner]

Greek, 2nd century B.C.? At least the origin must be Greek !!!

Cliclasp, Thank you for pointing out the new video on Sea of Cortez.
Beautifully done with perfect sound truck.

Douglas and his colleagues estan haciendo maravillas !!!

SUERTE Douglas !!!

[jerin]

My guess - India, perhaps last century?